Tim Hodson


Hello everyone! I'm in the process of trying out Wakka wiki. My initial findings are:

The biggest problem I've had so far is that I became rather used to the usemod approach of allowing nested pages. These allowed you to define main pages (such as "work") and then child pages ("work/admin", "work/whatever") - and link to them just with "/admin" etc from the work page. Such "namespaces" felt like they made it easier to cover lots of different topics without having to have really silly long names. Any thoughts, anyone?

Another issue - albeit not exactly really serious - is the way that the markup for headings seems to my way of thinking to be "backwards". For most documents I think in terms of heading 1, heading 2 and so on rather than size 5, size 4. It would seem more sensible for me to have the markup for the biggest heading to be, say, =Heading 1=, then ==Smaller Heading 2== etc, rather than starting with 5 equals. It's a structure vs presentation issue, for me: do I think "heading 1" or "very big"?

On the whole, though, I've been getting on very well with this wiki.

If you're sad enough to be interested, my personal wiki lives temporarily at: http://jezreel.dyndns.org/Wikka/wikka.php - not a lot to see there right now, though, with no hugely imminent plans for world domination there either.


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Comment by JavaWoman
2005-05-17 12:59:04
Tim,

Well, Wikka definitely doesn't have namespaces.

That said, and not knowing how usemod works ... how is "work/whatever" not a really silly long name while WorkWhatever would be? Sounds like just a naming convention to me, but maybe I misunderstand what usemod really is doing.

You may also be interested in OnegWR's Tree (http://wikka.jsnx.com/OnegWRTree) and Subpages (http://wikka.jsnx.com/OnegWRSubPages ) actions.
Comment by TimHodson
2005-05-17 21:23:17
Fair point! The main issue is that from eg "work" you can refer to the child page just as "/whatever", rather than "work/whatever". It's a bit like a local URL - being able to refer to this page as "/TimHodson" rather than always "http://wikka.jsnx.com/TimHodson". I need to think about this, though, because although I've grown fond of them as a way of reducing the number of top-level pages, it may make little difference in practice.

Thanks very much for your response, though, and I will look in to those links shortly too.
Comment by JavaWoman
2005-05-17 21:51:39
Tim,
re: "grown fond of them as a way of reducing the number of top-level pages"

I tend to think of a wiki as a hyperlinked *network* rather than a hierarchy - so "top-level" really doesn't come into it in terms of *pages*.

However, Wikka has a *category* system that serves as its main organizer (apart from links on actual pages - your home page is very important in providing access to your site's content). Maybe you should play a bit with categories as well - they *can* form a hierarchy and the top level comes installed as the CategoryCategory page. The advantage is that a page can be in multiple categories - providing an organization that is not possible with a strict hierarchical page relationships.
Comment by TimHodson
2005-05-18 19:06:48
I've had a little play with categories. As far as I can see, they are an organisational tool so that users can create category-based navigation independent of the content itself. Am I right in thinking that the main "trick" here is that the Category action identifies pages that link to a given Category page? From the WikiCategory page I wondered whether there would be some sort of automatic hierarchy generation, but I think I must have misunderstood the WikiCategory page. That page could perhaps do with a bit of a simplification in the default installation - I notice the one on this site is a bit clearer.

Now I shall look at the other two actions you referred to!
Comment by NilsLindenberg
2005-05-19 12:31:12
>Am I right in thinking that the main "trick" here is that the Category action identifies pages that link to a given Category page?

Yes. You could try that out if you add CategoryUsers to your page :)

>From the WikiCategory page I wondered whether there would be some sort of automatic hierarchy generation, but I think I must have misunderstood the WikiCategory page.

There is no generation of any hierarchy. so users can feel free to create their own. I tried to make the explanation on WikiCategory clearer but you can help if you tell what especially is unclear (and by correcting typos, thx for that :)
Comment by TimHodson
2005-05-19 12:58:46
I have assigned my page to CategoryUsers now - good point! I did it on my personal one when playing around, but hadn't got round to it here.

The WikiCategory page on this site seems fine to me; perhaps this should be included as the default version for new installations?
Comment by NilsLindenberg
2005-05-20 14:26:47
We'll see. :)
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